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Another area where Ajax really needs to advance is in terms of tooling . While there are some nice Ajax development tools coming out of vendors such as Microsoft, Backbase, TIBCO, and Nexaweb – the truth is Ajax IDEs are still pretty primitive compared to what we have for Java and Adobe’s Flex 2. In fact, given a choice I would much rather work with Adobe Flex 2 than Ajax simply because the tooling is much better. While the Ajax IDE market is still underdeveloped, the number of code-level Ajax frameworks and APIs available today is ridiculous. At my last count (August 2006) there were something like 160 Ajax frameworks. The other day someone told me – this is not been substantiated – that number is closer to 300 today. While I like the Apache adage, “let a thousand flowers bloom” there is a point where the sheer diversity of options is anti-productive to the industry as a whole.”


 by RyanKuykendall 14 months 9 days ago at "I, Analyst: April...".
I would argue that the simplicity of AJAX style web development lends itself to being over-tooled. In most cases, websites don't even use the X in AJAX because navigating a second DOM from the response XML just isn't as easy as accessing elements of serialized Javascript. I think the complexity of AJAX is completely blown out of proportion.
 by Richard MonsonHaefel 14 months 9 days ago at "I, Analyst: April...".
Interesting point. I think however, it's less about XML than it is about combining the use of JavaScript, CCS, and browser idiosyncrasies. For people who are well versed in JavaScript and CCS Ajax is probably easy, but the developer audience for Ajax is larger than that and so better tooling is needed to accommodate those who are not expert web page developers.
 by RyanKuykendall 14 months 9 days ago at "I, Analyst: April...".
You seem to imply that a magical tool could be created to bridge one's understanding of the fundamentals of HTML rendering (and the manipulation of HTML/DOM with CSS and Javascript.) If AJAX isn't very deep, neither is HTML, DOM manipulation, CSS, or Javascript (since there is no AJAX without them.) I'm curious how you have come around from WS* to REST, but don't see the value in keeping it simple for AJAX sans a massive, obfuscating framework to hide behind.
 by Richard MonsonHaefel 14 months 9 days ago at "I, Analyst: April...".
No. Not a magical tool. But let me ask you, do you use an IDE for Java development? Most people do. That's the kind of tool I'm talking about - right now the tooling for Ajax is just starting to find its footing while tooling for Java, for example, is very advanced. You don't have to hide the workings of JavaScript, CSS, DOM, and HTML when using tooling.


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